President Obama is reportedly sending 1,200 National Guard troops to the Mexican border in an effort to improve security. The plan also increases aerial observation using unmanned vehicles. Critics are already pointing out that 1,200 troops are not nearly enough and Senator McCain is calling for at least 6,000.
While I won't hold my breath, I hope this is the beginning of a SERIOUS effort to take control of our Southern border.
Link:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/05/...co-border/
I don't know how many is enough. But lining every inch of the border is futile UNLESS the companies who continue to hire undocumented/illegal workers are seriously penalized.
I fear one of "my" sons has been recalled after just returning to college from a stint in Iraq. Breaks my heart.
Did el Presidente Calderon of Mexico approve this? Seems kind of brazen for my man Baaahrock to be making these autonomous decisions.
(05-25-2010 08:58 PM)tigerdeaconmom Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know how many is enough. But lining every inch of the border is futile UNLESS the companies who continue to hire undocumented/illegal workers are seriously penalized.
Fines are pointless. Immigration doesn't have the manpower or money to go after every single little operation that hires a handful of illegals. That's where the bulk of them work. It's like trying to catch drunk drivers. The only way to really cut down on it is to stop selling alcohol, not to increase the fines or lower the limit.
(05-25-2010 08:58 PM)tigerdeaconmom Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know how many is enough. But lining every inch of the border is futile UNLESS the companies who continue to hire undocumented/illegal workers are seriously penalized.
I fear one of "my" sons has been recalled after just returning to college from a stint in Iraq. Breaks my heart.
The number of border crossing has diminished, or atleast that is what I heard on a news cast today. Fences, patrols, and other interdiction methods work but you are correct about the draw of work; any person who is caught hiring undocumented workers needs thirty days in jail for the first offense plus a $1000 fine
^ Seems hard to interpret some of these numbers. I had heard that the number of border crossings had decreased because there weren't jobs waiting on this side of the border anymore due to the recession. That would appear to strengthen the argument that the real solution lies in reducing demand. I'm also wondering whether we might next hear a) about this problem developing in New Mexico (the partial fence seems to have had the classic 'squeezing a balloon' effect) and/or b) sealing the border doesn't really address AZ's problems since there are already 500K illegal aliens on our side of it. Overall, it's not a problem that can probably be be solved through political football.
(05-25-2010 08:58 PM)tigerdeaconmom Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know how many is enough. But lining every inch of the border is futile UNLESS the companies who continue to hire undocumented/illegal workers are seriously penalized.
I fear one of "my" sons has been recalled after just returning to college from a stint in Iraq. Breaks my heart.
tdm, I share your dismay for your "son". He's a prime example of the sacrifices our men and women in uniform make to serve their nation. My oldest son was also deprived of college when he was held past his DOS 7 months for the First Gulf War. However, it eventually worked out for the best and I pray that it will for your "son".
(05-25-2010 08:58 PM)tigerdeaconmom Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know how many is enough. But lining every inch of the border is futile UNLESS the companies who continue to hire undocumented/illegal workers are seriously penalized.
I fear one of "my" sons has been recalled after just returning to college from a stint in Iraq. Breaks my heart.
You are correct. Unfortunately, many of these corporations also are big political contributors in addition to their DC and state lobbyists. Someone mentioned that there is not enough manpower. Not true. Other agencies can be mustered in the effort to police illegal employment. One such agency is the IRS. Considering that these corporations are breaking numerous employment and tax laws (state and federal), there has to be several other agencies with enforcement obligations. The trick is finding politicians with a set of gonads.
(05-25-2010 11:31 PM)Stampeding Terp Wrote: [ -> ]tdm, I share your dismay for your "son". He's a prime example of the sacrifices our men and women in uniform make to serve their nation. My oldest son was also deprived of college when he was held past his DOS 7 months for the First Gulf War. However, it eventually worked out for the best and I pray that it will for your "son".
Thanks Stamp. Turns out it was a false alarm. Just a call from a former commander but enough to send family and friends into a tizzy of sorts.
(This "son" is one of my kids' many friends who grew up in our neighborhood or were in school with 'em. This group of kids called all the mothers "mom" and we really did do the whole "village" raising thing. No discussion nor community decisions on it, it just happened.)
This thread title is making Fred hungry for Taco Bell.
(05-26-2010 10:48 AM)tigerdeaconmom Wrote: [ -> ] (05-25-2010 11:31 PM)Stampeding Terp Wrote: [ -> ]tdm, I share your dismay for your "son". He's a prime example of the sacrifices our men and women in uniform make to serve their nation. My oldest son was also deprived of college when he was held past his DOS 7 months for the First Gulf War. However, it eventually worked out for the best and I pray that it will for your "son".
Thanks Stamp. Turns out it was a false alarm. Just a call from a former commander but enough to send family and friends into a tizzy of sorts.
(This "son" is one of my kids' many friends who grew up in our neighborhood or were in school with 'em. This group of kids called all the mothers "mom" and we really did do the whole "village" raising thing. No discussion nor community decisions on it, it just happened.)
That's good news and I hope he can continue his college education uninterrupted.
That sounds like a small town... or at least the one where I grew up. I had more aunts, uncles, moms and daddy's than you can imagine. We were unrelated but they were "family" just the same.
(05-25-2010 10:40 PM)Tagterp Wrote: [ -> ] (05-25-2010 08:58 PM)tigerdeaconmom Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know how many is enough. But lining every inch of the border is futile UNLESS the companies who continue to hire undocumented/illegal workers are seriously penalized.
I fear one of "my" sons has been recalled after just returning to college from a stint in Iraq. Breaks my heart.
The number of border crossing has diminished, or atleast that is what I heard on a news cast today. Fences, patrols, and other interdiction methods work but you are correct about the draw of work; any person who is caught hiring undocumented workers needs thirty days in jail for the first offense plus a $1000 fine
I'd love to see some big shot with an undocumented nanny get 30 days.
what about college students posing as Americans getting government assistance? should the admissions office get 30 days too? or the administrator that approved the grant?
I agree on the big shot with the undocumented nanny.
RE: the college who admits a "fake" American. ID is required to register. I don't think the college can be held responsible if someone uses a fake ID.
(05-26-2010 10:49 PM)tigerdeaconmom Wrote: [ -> ]I agree on the big shot with the undocumented nanny.
RE: the college who admits a "fake" American. ID is required to register. I don't think the college can be held responsible if someone uses a fake ID.
what if that same ID is used to secure a job? why should one be immune and the other be prosecuted?
I see the number may be up to 6,000 troops now.
(05-28-2010 03:39 PM)BornAJacket Wrote: [ -> ]I see the number may be up to 6,000 troops now.
That's the number Senator McCain wants but there aren't THAT many office jobs...... are there?
If we're going to send the NG to the border then lets use them to seal it and keep illegals OUT!! They would also keep drugs out and reduce the supposed flow of illegal firearms into Mexico.
My question for Calderon is this: IF those imaginary guns are that much trouble and you'd actually like to stop the drug dealers, why in heaven's name aren't you sealing your own border? I think the answers to that are easy: the gun problem isn't at our common border and you won't seal your own border because it would mean illegals couldn't cross into the US. That's hard cash to your own economy that you'd lose and that's more important to you than drugs, illegals etc.
Sounds like a good job for the new gay army.