03-26-2007, 08:41 AM
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03-26-2007, 08:48 AM
'81 never bothered me as much b/c that was not a team I expected to see in the final.
Never worse than '84, though '87 was close. I was there in '91, so that blew, but losing early in '94 was a billion times worse than '91.
I felt the absolute worst in '02.
BTW, I think this was the first time UNC has been in the Elite 8 since the '80s when we failed to advance to the Final Four.
The manner of the loss is what hurt about his game (VPI and UMd redux), not so much the outcome.
Never worse than '84, though '87 was close. I was there in '91, so that blew, but losing early in '94 was a billion times worse than '91.
I felt the absolute worst in '02.
BTW, I think this was the first time UNC has been in the Elite 8 since the '80s when we failed to advance to the Final Four.
The manner of the loss is what hurt about his game (VPI and UMd redux), not so much the outcome.
03-26-2007, 09:23 AM
The problem last night was more mental than physical. That hurts more than anything. We had that game in the bag. HAD IT! Such is life.
don bosco
03-26-2007, 09:24 AM
1981 was the worst. Losing to the subhuman cretin is always an injustice and sits wrong with the world.
03-26-2007, 09:37 AM
I have co-workers and a good friend who went to Pitt, Texas A&M, and Texas. We got further than they did so I'm good. 
03-26-2007, 09:43 AM
As I was telling a friend ... the way we lost in the College World Series last summer still galls me more than this loss ...
03-26-2007, 09:46 AM
i'm not too bummed, definitely taken other losses much harder.  let the dookies have their vicarious win as they're expected to do, they haven't had anything to smile about for weeks and weeks.  i just want to know who's coming back!
03-26-2007, 10:03 AM
Yeah, I took the women's loss to the Twerps in the Final 4 last season MUCH harder and the loss by the baseball team in the CWS was definitely more of a kick in the gut.
I do think this loss is magnified by the threat of having 3 guys go pro and having to start all over again, again -- otherwise, I think we'd probably all be thrilled that such a young team got such great experience. But that is the reality.
When is the deadline to declare?
In the mean time, our Women are an experienced team playing for a chance at another Final 4 tomorrow, football spring practice is underway and baseball is just around the corner. Spring has sprung and the sun rose this morning and aside from the way the game was lost, I'm feeling pretty chipper.
I do think this loss is magnified by the threat of having 3 guys go pro and having to start all over again, again -- otherwise, I think we'd probably all be thrilled that such a young team got such great experience. But that is the reality.
When is the deadline to declare?
In the mean time, our Women are an experienced team playing for a chance at another Final 4 tomorrow, football spring practice is underway and baseball is just around the corner. Spring has sprung and the sun rose this morning and aside from the way the game was lost, I'm feeling pretty chipper.
03-26-2007, 10:05 AM
gotta be top 5; felt like the mid-late 90's all over again where we went into Panhandle-sized dryspells.
03-26-2007, 11:05 AM
Oddly, after the game yesterday, I really wasn't that upset. Maybe I was ignorant to the fact that we played horrendous int he last 10 min, but I just chalked our loss to poor shooting - sometimes it just doesn't go in.
However, waking up this morning, I was appalled to see the label of chokers thrown on to this team. After all, you are talking about a very, very youung squad, with talent, yes, but not much experience. Then I realized everyone was correct. The shot selection, poor rebounding, missed shot after missed shot...this team fell apart. And I'm more upset about the apparent lack of effort and drive coming from this team in every OT. Well I guess that they have all summer to think about it.
However, waking up this morning, I was appalled to see the label of chokers thrown on to this team. After all, you are talking about a very, very youung squad, with talent, yes, but not much experience. Then I realized everyone was correct. The shot selection, poor rebounding, missed shot after missed shot...this team fell apart. And I'm more upset about the apparent lack of effort and drive coming from this team in every OT. Well I guess that they have all summer to think about it.
03-26-2007, 12:40 PM
i think we may need to put away the broom for a squeegie, as the collective orgasms coming from the dook board are messy messy.  you'd think they had a decent enough team to beat us this year!  dang if it wasn't crickets over there for nearly month, sure was pleasant.
03-26-2007, 01:50 PM
They WISH they could have lost that game.
03-26-2007, 04:26 PM
It could not possibly be worse than '77 and losing to Al McGuire and Marquette in the finals. Went to 4 corners with an 8 point lead with about 8 minutes left, and totally lost our momentum. Even the best point guard ever could not pull that one out.
I may be very old school abd in a big minority, but I would have liked to have seen Rey take the last shot yesterday if we could not get it in to Tyler.
I may be very old school abd in a big minority, but I would have liked to have seen Rey take the last shot yesterday if we could not get it in to Tyler.
03-26-2007, 05:08 PM
^Agree on that last sentiment (prolly feel differently if Wayne made the shot, LOL).
The '77 4-corners was something that used to eat at me until I caught that game on ESPN Classic -- UNC had to scratch and claw to get that measly lead (I don't even think it was 8) and had so many injuries, watching it after all this time it didn't seem like such a terrible strategy ... the team was just too fragile to hold Marquette off in any event, but the 4C was probably our best chance.
The '77 4-corners was something that used to eat at me until I caught that game on ESPN Classic -- UNC had to scratch and claw to get that measly lead (I don't even think it was 8) and had so many injuries, watching it after all this time it didn't seem like such a terrible strategy ... the team was just too fragile to hold Marquette off in any event, but the 4C was probably our best chance.
don bosco
03-26-2007, 05:18 PM
That was the year of multiple injuries...WDavis was playing with a splint on his finger I believe, Ford had himself been hurt repeatedly. Kuester was the fireman saving the day...and it was the 4 Corners that had gotten us there. Remember, no 3 pointer and no shot clock. Coach Smith was masterful within the rules.
03-26-2007, 08:12 PM
don bosco Wrote:That was the year of multiple injuries...WDavis was playing with a splint on his finger I believe, Ford had himself been hurt repeatedly.  Kuester was the fireman saving the day...and it was the 4 Corners that had gotten us there.  Remember, no 3 pointer and no shot clock.  Coach Smith was masterful within the rules.
Wasn't that also the game Tommy LaGarde could not play because he was on crutches after re-injuring his knee in practice? Even with all of the injuries, the Heels came within a missed layup by reserve Bruce Buckley of giving Smith his first NCAA title.
Also seem to recall that Dean wrote in his book (or perhaps commented years later in an interview) that the only reason he slowed the pace and went to Four Corners was because his starters were exhausted. Buckley in particular signaled to come out of the game at a key moment.
03-27-2007, 04:26 PM
Maybe my '77 recollections are getting foggy. (I will be 50 in a couple of weeks.) I'm pretty sure we were up 8 when going 4C. It seemed we had played very well up until then, and just lost our edge and quit attacking. I guess the frustration was mostly over how many times Dean had been there and had come up empty, and that greatly magnified the pain at the time. I'm sure the guys were tired, and were certainly beat up. LaGarde had ripped his ACL earlier in the year, Davis did have a splint on his hand, and Ford has the infamous (IIRC) hyperextended elbow. It also probably stings a lot more when you still a student, and I remember that sting many years later. I guess I also really did not expect this year's team to win it all given youth & inexperience, but I DID expect the '77 team to win despite the injuries, etc.
03-27-2007, 05:23 PM
John Keuster was my hero.
03-27-2007, 05:40 PM
I am 100% over that loss. Ready to pull for the women and get lots of home improvement projects done until football season starts! Nothing better than having some cold beers after a hot day of home improvement!
03-27-2007, 11:11 PM
weirdly, it is getting worse for me ... I felt pangs about it today for the first time ... dunno why
03-27-2007, 11:27 PM
It's starting to sink in that they're done. We still got the Lady Heels though and I am excited but still wish they were both in the final four
03-28-2007, 01:18 AM
Don't forget the 95 loss. It was definitely up there. We had Arkansas that dang half court shot changed everything.
The CWS loss was the most painful for me in UNC history, and until we win a CWS, will forever be.
Still hurting from those TWO painful losses.
Even worse the changed format burned us. Under the old format there would have been no game 2 and 3.
The CWS loss was the most painful for me in UNC history, and until we win a CWS, will forever be.
Still hurting from those TWO painful losses.
Even worse the changed format burned us. Under the old format there would have been no game 2 and 3.
don bosco
03-28-2007, 08:50 AM
I heard rat talking on his XM radio show just a few minutes ago...made it worse.
But then I heard Ivory Latta talking on WCHL (changed the station)...got better.
But then I heard Ivory Latta talking on WCHL (changed the station)...got better.
don bosco
03-28-2007, 08:54 AM
I had a John Kuester poster back in those days...would kill for it now. That was my freshman year at Carolina, 76-77, and the wildness that went with that run will always be what I remember, not the loss. This was the real beginning of Franklin Street filling up after wins and bonfires (I know this sort of thing had happened before) and the like because this team, as I recall it, was not supposed to go this far...not for lack of talent but because of being the walking wounded. For some reason when we lost that game I felt we had genuinely gone far beyond the call and had nothing to be ashamed about.
03-28-2007, 03:53 PM
bsba79 Wrote:Maybe my '77 recollections are getting foggy.  (I will be 50 in a couple of weeks.)  I'm pretty sure we were up 8 when going 4C.  It seemed we had played very well up until then, and just lost our edge and quit attacking.  I guess the frustration was mostly over how many times Dean had been there and had come up empty, and that greatly magnified the pain at the time.  I'm sure the guys were tired, and were certainly beat up.  LaGarde had ripped his ACL earlier in the year, Davis did have a splint on his hand, and Ford has the infamous (IIRC) hyperextended elbow...
That is correct. In building the lead a couple of the starters and/or subs began running out of gas. Bruce Buckley for one signaled to be taken out of the game just when the Heels had great momentum and Marquette was reeling. Dean then went to the Four Corners, but in this instance it backfired as Marquette was able to catch its breath and mount a counter attack to come from behind.
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